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Post by compilingautumn on Sept 28, 2006 9:53:42 GMT -5
you're a jerk and like to rob bands of money rob people that design t-shirts of money
and don't support individualism.
-fin
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Post by Asuka Was Here on Sept 28, 2006 17:57:51 GMT -5
... say what? only go there forte clearance anime t-shirts ^^ WHich most certinly d not ro bands. ...And do you just want to start fame wars? (not that I'd mind, any type of activity would be welcome at this point in time) ... and wow, I just realized how screwed up my keyboard was at that time (just had to change the batteries) What that should have said: ... Say what? I go there for the clearance anime t-shirts ^^ Which most certainly do not rob bands. ...And do you just want to start flame wars? (not that I'd mind, really, any type of activity would be welcome at this point in time)
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Post by orochimaruchan on Sept 28, 2006 18:05:32 GMT -5
Yeah, seriously, I could start about 5 arguments right now, but I think I'll be the bigger man here and not.
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Post by compilingautumn on Sept 28, 2006 23:40:19 GMT -5
the place is a cess pool for hypocrisy and exploitation. start every argument you want its the internet, no one's gonna cry about it.
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Post by Asuka Was Here on Sept 29, 2006 20:32:22 GMT -5
Ah, well, to each his own opinion. As far as I'm concerned, the vast majority of American society is a cesspool for hypocrisy and exploitation, so I don't see the point in singling out one store.
Just because no one's going to cry doesn't mean that we should run around starting flame wars, now, does it? Fighting with no point is kinda... well, pointless.
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Post by compilingautumn on Sept 29, 2006 22:52:03 GMT -5
i'm not sure you're very well informed of the difference between a "flame war" and starting a debate/discussion over a matter i feel very strongly about. if this were a "flame war" i would have probably told lucide off for disagreeing with me, or even called someone out personally in my initial post.
and why would you go so far as to say a vast majority of american society is a cesspool for hypocrisy and exploitation? i mean thats a fairly bold statement, how do you back that claim?
i say that hot topic is a cesspool for hypocrisy and exploitation because i have had friends of mine in a band from ny be screwed with directly by this chain of stores.
if you're going to make such a statement at least give us a reason why.
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Post by Asuka Was Here on Sept 30, 2006 8:50:39 GMT -5
Oh, dear...
I know what a flame war is, thanks. I'm not implying that one has started, I'm saying a statement like that is like begging to have one erupt. The only reason it hasn't is that these Forums are practically dead.
If you don't agree with that statement, you have obviously never seen the inner workings (and outer workings, to boot) of our public school system, for example. I could cite other examples, but seeing as that's the one I'm most deeply entrenched in at the moment, we'll go with that:
The school system exists, or so they tell us, to prepare the younger generations of society for a life as a proper, successful (whatever that means) adult. They claim to try and intrigue us, to fill us with a love of learning that will lead us to be informed, knowledgeable individuals with a capacity to understand the arts, the sciences, politics, and yadda yadda yadda. They claim they help us figure out what we want to do with the rest of our lives.
In reality, they exist to promote our standardized test scores. Budget cuts, redirections of funds, etc. have led to the removal of all but the most basic arts education, instead making way for generic academic courses where you don't even get to explore the meanings of things, instead learning primarily "stuff" - i.e. the basic information that's going to show up on the CAPTs, ACTs, SATs, PSATs, CMTs, etc. is drilled into students so that they won't reflect poorly upon their institution. In high school, this is especially true. They take advantage, for example, of upperclassmen's ability to drive themselves around, their newfound step into the world of independence, and charge hundreds of dollars to get a parking space.
As for the students themselves, most learn only to hate each other based on materialistic things, such as brand-name clothing, shopping, athleticism, physical appearance, whatever is "cool" at the moment, and eschew more important things, like ethics, social responsibility, spirituality (be it religion or otherwise), and those things that supposedly make us human and therefore superior to all other animals. They form little cliques and compliment each other on their new shoes or purses (out of some sort of envy, to boot, most of the time they just wish they had said purse for themselves), or, in the case of men, punch each other and talk about the last football game. The few that choose not to follow this sheep-minded conformity policy are picked on, beaten, laughed at, and so forth. And then we wonder why, once in awhile, one of them obtains a weapon and shoots up a school.
The rate of children returning home after school is increasing, in direct correlation to the amount of cuts in non-academic fields, such as playtime in kindergarten and music programs in middle and high schools. Instead of preparing children to be successful adults, they process them into machines that can spit out facts but have no social responsibility, ability to cope with stress, or basic social skills.
Students are considered of value to the school only so long as they perform up to the standards. For those who don't, whose strengths may lie elsewhere, or have physical or mental impediments which prevent them from doing so, schools create "resource classes" and "special education programs" where they shun them off in a neglected corner of the system and try to harass them into quitting. That's why people perceive those in manual labor professions or similar fields to be "uneducated."
Moving away from the students, the administration is a terribly dicey, screwed-up thing in itself. Teachers can get away with gross incompetence; administrators can be fired for writing up the wrong teacher for said incompetence. Don't say it doesn't happen; it does; I know from experience.
Or, take another major component of American society: fast food and related industries. Fast Food Nation is an excellent read on this topic, but in a short summary, fast food chains directly exploit children, agriculture, and lower to middle class individuals for the sole sake of profit. They use small charity funds and service activities (such as the Ronald McDonald Foundation) to bring attention to themselves and try to cover up their abuse of employees and horrible health hazards of consuming their "food."
As for yourself, why don't you give us a reason why Hot Topic is hypocritical and exploits people. All you've said to date is that it screwed with your friends; that's not exactly good evidence. Nor does one isolated incident prove anything to me except that in one isolated incident, someone got screwed. Before you tell me to back up my claims, try backing them yourself. ^^
Is this what you were trying to start?
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Post by Haru on Sept 30, 2006 14:30:54 GMT -5
wow.... I can already see the flames starting to come up. And I TOTALLY 100% agree with you Asuka. (and yes I didn't read the whole entire thing you posted.) I looked in Hot Topic once(meaning looked through a window). I would not place a toe in that store.
And why can't men think about something else other than football and hitting each other on the hind quaters?
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Post by Saki Hanajima on Sept 30, 2006 14:41:39 GMT -5
You wanna pick a fight with ME? You wanna say that Hot Topic is for morons? Well if that's what you're gonna do, THEN GO RIGHT AHEAD! *takes out kitten* This kitten can hurt you for dissing that place!
Okay, I'll be honest. I've never had the oppurtunity to shop there (my mom thinks it's too weird...eh), but I've been dying to go inside and buy anime stuff and some of their clothing...
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Post by compilingautumn on Sept 30, 2006 16:41:09 GMT -5
yes, that is what i'm trying to start.
i'll post a response at some time tonight as i'm completely a mess right now, i haven't showered in two days, smell like party/bonfire, and have a show to play in about 30min. but i promise a response that will either piss you off or please you, depends on where you stand.
skihanajima: don't worry about it, you're not missing out on much, order anime stuff offline, you'll probably pay less for it.
haru: its true, the only things that matter to me are football, naked women, beer, and greasy fatty foods.
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Post by Vulpes on Sept 30, 2006 20:17:55 GMT -5
*Snickers and accidentally bites her tongue* Wow. Just... Wow. Sooooo many misconceptions I could point out here! So many. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
You poor, ignorant thing, Haru. Silly, silly girl. You haven't talked to many people of the male gender, have you? Not everyone likes sports, males included. As for the butt-slapping, I don't know much about it and will so say nothing. Actually, I'm going to say a LOT of nothing on that topic and just laugh, because really, I think Billy's said enough. That is, if you catch the sarcasm.
Cesspool is, by the way, one word. Yes, my entire existence is to correct the spelling and grammar of the world.
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Post by Haru on Oct 2, 2006 10:49:01 GMT -5
I do have some male friends! Except they all play Halo and have airsoft guns! yeesh..... Vulpes I think you should become a grammar teacher. And I NEVER said that Hot Topic is for morons!!!! Saki you are not a moron!!! And Vulpes do you have alot of male friends? I still trying to ask a guy to be my boyfriend!!!! And I can't say a darn thing around him! *starts to cry*
ACK!!! ACK!!!! ACK!!!!! lol ^.^
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Post by Asuka Was Here on Oct 2, 2006 14:44:06 GMT -5
Nah, not all of them do that. Just the jocks and the wannabe jocks. Although, apparently Halo is extremely popular with everyone, girls included. Wouldn't know, not into games.
She's very picky about grammar and intelligence. Stupid things bother her. It's just who she is. And she'd probably tear her hair out after an hour teaching grammar; the mechanical errors would drive her off the wall... and wow, it's times like these that I wish the Forums had a spellcheck. And yes, she's got a solid harem of guys, as well as a vast amalgamation of male friends and associates; they're really not all that hard to talk to, you know. Unless they're total idiots. At some point, if you really want to date one, you just have to swallow your pride, take a deep breath, and say hi. Crying at people does you no good. Really. -.-'
I will also warn you, Haru, to not take any of this too seriously (and I apply that statement to most of the threads you've posted in). Sarcasm pervades these Forums, the vast majority of what anyone says is in jest, and exploding at them does just about nothing. Y'know? I can be pretty scathingly sarcastic myself...
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Post by compilingautumn on Oct 2, 2006 15:23:12 GMT -5
i think its safe to say i take the cake for sarcasm on this board.
but on a sarcasm-less note:
haru, you want a guy to be your boyfriend. well here's some advice: man up and talk to him, or should i say.. woman up and talk to him. nothing is more annoying to me than hearing someone say that they like someone and not being able to even approach them.. not to mention it could possibly lead to one of the worst female stereotypes.. which, sorry ladies on the board, in my lifetime has proven rather true.. of not being open about things. don't fall into the habit of keeping quiet. its terrible in any aspect of life.. unless someone's got you at gunpoint saying keep quiet.. then i might suggest keeping your yapper shut.
but in sum. speak, don't let your own insecurities hold you back.
i mean really.. whats the worst that could happen?
asuka: tonight i'll probably post that reply.. as the night i said i was going to.. i was dragged off to a party at my friend pence's and didn't make it home till the next day. so when you're done with EVA training later tonight, perhaps you'll see a response..
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Post by Haru on Oct 2, 2006 15:38:08 GMT -5
Thanks guys. That means alot. (and I wasn't crying in reality I was just being silly.) I guess I can't take sarcasm in big incraments. But what can you talk about with a guy?
I'm not a huge sports or Halo fan but I will occationally look into things and be updated. The sports I like are sailing, archery, and fencing. (in no particular order.)
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Post by Asuka Was Here on Oct 2, 2006 15:52:59 GMT -5
Talk about things you like, school, life, hobbies, talk about whatever the hell you want. If your guy is so self-absorbed that he can't talk to you about anything but what he likes (and you'll find most guys like more than sports and Halo), then he's a jerk and you shouldn't bother with him. --- I'll look for that reply. Except you've got the wrong Asuka in mind I've actually never even watched (or read) Eva... I am an Asuka unto myself. ^^ But yes, you take the cake for blatant, harsh, raw sarcasm here.
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Post by Sathira on Oct 2, 2006 23:32:40 GMT -5
*snickers* *is highly amused*
Fencing rocks ^-^ and this argument makes sense to me XD
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Post by Vulpes on Oct 2, 2006 23:42:36 GMT -5
Maybe I'm the only one, but I like the sarcasm. *Shrugs* I guess that's from growing up in a family that operated on sarcasm. My father frequently told my sister and I when we were younger, and still does at times, things like "make sure you hurt yourself," when we were going to do something where being injured was a likely possibility. It was always amusing when someone who wasn't used to this heard it.
Yup, I'd say that Billy takes the cake on the Forums for sarcasm. However, I'm not sure he likes cake, I never asked...
*Points at Asuka's post* What she said. I'm slightly obsessive-compulsive, and I need things to be done the way I want them to be, otherwise I nag people until they fix them, or fix it myself. It's how I operate. It's why I make sure my laundry's folded smoothly. It's why all my books are in alphabetical order by series, and in chronological order within that series. It's why I clean my friends' rooms. And, well, I'm not sure they're literally a harem, but that's what my friends call the handful of guys I like. Besides those males, I have quite a few male friends and never have a problem talking to them. I also believe we've established that guys like things other than games and sports. I have a male friend who bloody well hates sports, actually. As for conversation topics, who cares? I've ranted about bras to my male friends, as well as other things that most girls wouldn't talk to guys about. A friend is a friend, no matter the gender. The only time gender matters in a friendship is if it gets more serious than that. Then, well, you're on your own!
Tears won't get you anywhere. Especially not with me. Incraments? It's increments.
And there is a spell check on these Forums.
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Post by compilingautumn on Oct 3, 2006 1:45:25 GMT -5
i suppose a school system is a half decent subject to use as a proverbial display case for your claim. though my main gripe is that each school district is slightly different, as are the student bodies within.
where shall i start.. well i'll start with what i agree with you on. parking prices, if you're literally paying hundreds of dollars to park at school, protest that. not that it would make a difference, but up here its free.
now for what i can't seem to agree with you on.
first off, schools can claim things all they want, but in the end the choice is up to the individual, no one helps you figure out what you want to do with your life but you. its kind of like school is the dinner, you just have to eat it.. but i'm sure talking about that stuff is wasting both of our time as it should be common knowledge.
don't worry too much about the "arts" as long as there is some form of art class present in your school, you shouldn't complain. you don't need a whole bunch of types of art classes. if you need them or want them that bad then just do what it is you're passionate about on your own time, wether it be music, art, computer programming etc. you shouldn't need the mask of school programs and classes to learn. all you really need is a little bit of exposure (an intro to art class) to spark interest. in sum, don't worry about art in school, no one cares about it, and those who do care about it.. would go to any art shows you happen to be part of. side-tracked-note #1: to anyone planning on taking advanced art classes, or enrolling in art school. art schools in general do not care about anime at all.
as for the "stuff" that is covered in standardized tests.. its there for a reason, to get your ass into college where you REALLY learn things (not that i know from experience but, i've learned enough from my friends who are attending and have told me such). if you know it, and can show it, you probably are a rather intelligent human being.. and what the crap are you talking about "not exploring the meaning of it" if you don't know the meaning of it then you don't know it at all.. seriously, where the hell is the logic in that? maybe on a regular test in class that works, but come the standardized tests if you can't back your knowledge in essays you're gonna screw yourself over. i won't get into what you say about your school particularly drilling it into students because once again.. from personal experience and difference of location, i completely disagree with you.
now we come to students themselves, you claim that most only learn to hate eachother based on materialistic aspects. to start, atleticism isn't materialistic. this example alone is excuse the term "bullshit" because it seems the perspective you're coming from is one who has been a victim of such "hate" but at the same time you are looking down your nose at these kids. that really doesn't add up to me. eschewing important things... since when has spirituality or religion been important to a school day? oh wait, it hasn't.
if you look at it as well, you're probably the same way but instead of complimenting shoes and purses you're probably complimenting a really cool t-shirt, or a costume someone made. fashion in all forms is expression. you can't knock someone who buys a really snazzy or hip purse/pair of shoes and gets complimented for it, or hated for a not so snazzy pair of shoes/purse because you've probably judged someone for such reasons as well. as for kids being picked on, beaten up, or laughed at.. if you let it affect you.. you're a really weak person, and probably should bring that gun into school cause its such a good idea.
the paragraph after the students hating eachother one made no sense either. while budget cuts and lack of after school activities is different with every school system (though if you're interested in something, nothing is stopping you from doing it on your own time, maybe with some friends too! afterschool!) i'm sure that they have no effect on the students personality (ability to cope with stress, social responsibility, etc) because i'm sure if that were true i'd be the worst person on earth.. i never did anything extra cirricular (sp?)
As for your stance on "resource" classes and "special education" classes. I would say that if someone is retarded, they belong in that class if they can't do the normal work, and chances are, it makes no difference to them, they're probably happier not having to deal with your schools supposed hateful students. I'm sure this happens in your school as well, but lots of wastes of life (i.e. wiggers/drug addicts/etc) are in these "resource" classes. you know what? usher them right the f**k out of the school, if they don't want to try then why not get them out faster so they can use their "strengths that lie elsewhere" which if it isn't in their brain then i'm sure they don't care. also, i've never heard of schools harassing kids with impediments to quit.. i thought the 19th century and its ignorance had already past.
i might add you've said a little bit about hypocrisy in schools and nothing significant about exploiting the kids. schools don't really exploit kids, even if they are uptight about top notch performance.. if you do well you are rewarded. its been rather tiresome replying to this because you're just complaining. what kind of school would yours be if it didn't encourage good scores and such?
i'll also point out that it seems you have a very Emerson-esque view on life... the older you are, the more controlled you become. hence, the more successful you are in highschool the more you will be in the corporate world. but thats just for sarcastic fact spitting machines right? no logic there.
you speak as if school is one big trap into the corporate machinepeople world, as if you know all the loopholes.. which i'm sure you do. you should also define successful before you use it in an example. you state that school supposedly helps/prepares you to be a "successful (whatever that means) adult." and later say "Instead of preparing children to be successful adults, they process them into machines.." so what exactly is a successful adult? apparently you've aquired the answer midway through writing your response.
i'm not even going to touch on the fast food industry with you, because i can sum up food in a few sentences. if you're a parent and you let your child eat mcdonalds.. you must hate your kid. if you're an average human with half a brain, you'll know, or have heard from someone that fast food generally isn't good for you, so if you continue to eat it, sucks for you. also, why do you care what other people eat, it doesn't affect you at all. side-tracked-note #2: go vegetarian.
now for me, why do i have such bitter feelings with hot topic? you see i've met these guys in a band from long island called "another breath" chances are no one on this board gives two hoots about punk/hardcore or aggressive music that sends a truly positive message out to its listeners. hot topic was interested in carrying their shirts and cds. hot topic didn't ask permission to (nor did they ask permission to sell t-shirts of the band "converge" but they did anyways). another breath asked hot topic kindly to not sell their merchandise in their store. why? because bands do not see a penny for t-shirts sold in that store. why would you say SUPPORT THIS BAND and advertise their merchandise, when half the support (the money that enables them to tour, record, print merchandise, and put out cds) doesn't even go to them. "awesome kid you have the heart for us you're wearing our shirt, but it sucks we didn't get the money for it, now its harder for us to do things even though you probably weren't aware we were getting screwed." hot topic continued to sell their merchandise so in response, another breath told their fans, whenever you see an another breath cd in hot topic, if you are willing to take a risk for a good reason, steal it. its not like its hurting the band. and that is what happened there was a mass theft of another breath cds from hot topics all over new york.
now that my response is over, i'm going to make a statement on punk/hardcore elsewhere in these forums cause i'm on a roll.
note to everyone else: you might just go ahead and call me an asshole, probably because you don't know me, but if you agree/disagree with me and feel inclined to say so, please say why. cause saying something hollow in support of either side is a waste of your time.
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Post by Sathira on Oct 3, 2006 15:04:34 GMT -5
*applauds Billy and not in a sarcastic way*
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