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Post by Vulpes on Oct 17, 2006 14:02:48 GMT -5
Start a new thread, or post random questions like that on the official Board of Randomness. Or, as Billy said, start a Haru advice thread on the Off-Topic board. Though I shall not take responsibility for anyone's responses, not even my own. If you get snarked at, you get snarked at. That's the way we operate. If you are going to start one, put it on the Off-Topic Board, seeing as it's quite off-topic.
Y'know, I couldn't tell you how exactly to go about asking someone to a dance. I've never done it. In theory, you ask them something along the lines of "will you got to a dance with me?" but I don't generally ask. Like Sath said, we both just kidnap people. I inform them of the date, time, place, expected attire, and any other details they might need to know, and tell them to show up. They do so. It works. However, this is not recommended. If done with anyone but a good friend, it will seem creepy and possibly quite disturbing. They may never speak to you again. So it's best if you don't do it.
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Post by Haru on Oct 17, 2006 16:35:28 GMT -5
thanks ^.^' ooo... I get to be snarked.... and that is an imaginary animal......oh boy.......
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Post by Sathira on Oct 17, 2006 22:05:22 GMT -5
Being snarked is good, Going to an all girls school gets you good at asking guys to dances
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Post by Haru on Oct 18, 2006 7:52:55 GMT -5
Yeah uhh problem: I go to a public high school. -_-'
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Post by Haru on Oct 18, 2006 7:54:04 GMT -5
Oh and btw, The Haru advice thread is up!!! Come check it out!!
Thanks to those who did. ^.^
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Post by Vulpes on Oct 19, 2006 18:12:10 GMT -5
I don't see how that's a problem. It's a slightly different change of scenery and hormonal chemicals (little to no testosterone and a LOT of estrogen), but people are just as crazy and it's actually more dramatic. It's slightly different, that's all. So ask the guy, you've got to learn it some time. "It" being asking someone on something resembling a date of sorts without twitching madly and turning three hundred shades of red.
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Post by Sathira on Oct 19, 2006 23:06:17 GMT -5
*snickers at Redheaded Being description of someone asking a guy on a date*
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Post by Vulpes on Oct 20, 2006 14:24:44 GMT -5
*Snorts* I've done it, alright? So I know damn well that twitching and the entire spectrum of reds are involved. Especially with my fair skin. Actually, you were there for one of my twitching spasms, but I don't think you noticed; I was doing a pretty good job of hiding it. Remember the Costume Party #2? That one never got an LJ update for a good reason.
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Post by Sathira on Oct 20, 2006 19:35:18 GMT -5
*snickesr* ahh your right you have. No I noticed ^_- costume party two was f**ked up to say the least, I didnt particularly enjoy it that much.
Just cause you go to a public school doesnt mean you cant ask a guy to a dance.
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Post by compilingautumn on Oct 20, 2006 20:07:31 GMT -5
And yes, it is up to a school to supply its student body with the education it deserves - including the arts. You act like everyone can afford to just go out and fund themselves in whatever activity they like, but they choose not to. That may be the reality in most of Connecticut, where I like, MA, where you live, and a decent percentage of the population of the U.S. Have you seen the prices of decent painting and crafting supplies? I know you're a musician, so you should know what instruments cost. My flute is a cheap generic brand, only gold & silver plated on nickel (if you know anything about flutes, you'll know that's a cheap makeup; decent flutes are solid silver or gold alloy) and even it cost over $400. Not everyone can afford to go out and pursue their interests for simple financial reasons. That's why FAPE exists and why I feel schools are failing us in the budget cuts. yeah, exactly.. if you're passionate about it, you'll work for it, simple as that. and 400 dollars isn't cheap for a flute, i've seen plenty for far less. and yes my bands have spent in the thousands on gear, THAT WE WORKED FOR. work for what you want and it pays off, especially if you want it that bad. if you're passionate about something you'll work for it, the world isn't gonna give you things.By not exploring deeper meaning, I refer to the simple fact that when prepping students for standardized testing, teachers have a tendency to cram information down the throats of students just to make sure they "know" as much as possible - remember, standardized tests don't require backup, for the most part, they're just multiple choice. And for the record, multiple choice shows nothing but the ability to regurgitate facts like a robot. In math, it's one thing, since you only need to be able to use formulas, but in English classes, with all of their nuances, you might as well try and quiz students in phys. ed. by their success in picking up a paper clip. It's meaningless. because thats what a standardized test is. INFORMATION.You know, I actually have known a few teachers who prep students for timed writings by teaching them to write the driest piece of writing known to mankind: the jock essay. That's the sort of lack of exploration I mean. yeah and if you know that. then i am quite sure the test correcter knows that too and it will probably drag down the students grade/appeal. teachers don't want boring, dry essays... why would they be a teacher if they wanted that?Anyway, I didn't mean to imply that athleticism was materialistic. It's just pointless in the scheme of things. It's one thing to work out to stay healthy and improve the condition of your life, but I find the idea of kids bashing each other up in a football tackle, starving themselves to make weight on a wrestlign team, or similar things on the sole basis that a college might recruit them, where they might later be signed multi-million dollar contracts to play professionally and bash in even more people's skulls for the entertainment of the masses... well, to be plain old idiocy. hey, you like anime, and probably wish those who are (once again the magic word here..) PASSIONATE about it to pursue it further. anime is entertainment as much as football is. some make a living off anime, some make a living off of football. and once again you speak down your nose about others.The idea of school, supposedly, (and we've been over this, but whatever) is to produce knowledgeable, well human beings with a good grasp of morals and the ability to function in society. If you've studied the basic aspects of overall wellness, you'll know that spirituality (not religion, religion is to spirituality is what a square is to a rectangle; it's just a specific type) is one of the most overlooked aspects of wellness. In order to keep yourself stable in all aspects of your health, a certain amount of sprituality, a creative interest, purpose, meaning, whatever, is required. Schools tend to ignore that. And before anyone jumps on me for being overly pro-religion, I'm an athiest. Just because I don't subscribe to a religion and I don't believe in God doesn't mean I can't understand and appreciate the importance of some form of spirituality. hey think of it this way, athiest. i'm sure you'll agree. spirituality/religion is not necessary to be healthy, if you can't believe in yourself above all others then you are a very weak person. most people like believing in something else because they cna't put enough faith in themselves.I don't really look down on jocks and clique girls; I just don't believe in their methods of going through life. I'm entitled to think they're wrong, just as they're entitled to think I'm wrong, but the difference is that I don't get in their faces, humiliate them, taunt them, or talk about them behidn their backs. Frankly, it's been years since anyone's bothered to pick on me (it has happened in the past, but that's all done and gone); they've learned by now that I'm too confrontational to bother with, but I see it all around me, every day. And compared to other schools I've seen, Barlow is downright cute and cuddly. wait. you don't get in their faces about it, but if it happens you are too confrontational to bother with it. hey, welcome to hypocrisy.You don't know me very well if you think I'm the type to run around and compliment anything. I just don't. The only fashion I give a damn about is my own, and even then, I'm so lax about it you'd never notice. Outside of cosplaying, my standard attire is whatever I saw first in the closet when I woke up. Half my pants are too short and I don't care one shred. Redheaded Being keeps harassing me about it, but I honestly don't care. So no, before you get on my case over picking on people who are too obsessed with shoes and purses, I also don't liek it when people are overly worried about their latest punk ensemble, complete with pink fishnets. Cosplay is a different matter; it exists as the art of costuming. If I need to point out the difference between fashion and cosplay, my point is lost, but there's a solid difference. get over yourself. queen nose talker. don't judge people for wanting to look good. cosplay is the art of costuming, and (because i want to be a thingy about this) fashion is the art of self expression.I'll ask you this: where do children learn the basic life skills they'll need through the rest of their lives? Where do they learn to share, to care about the feelings of others, to follow rules (when it is appropriate), and so on? And now I will tell you: they learn it through play. When they start building things with the pretty primary-colored wooden blocks in their kindergarten class, they start learning life skills. Take that out of the kindergarten curriculum in favor, of, say, more reading instruction, and you will not only have a) bored kids, but b) kids who fail to develop crucial skills. I'm not referring to anything like the necessity of extracurriculars (you know by now that I'm opposed to athletics programs as they are today), I'm talking about cocurricular activities. Things that make kids learn. YOU ARE RIGHT PARENTS HAVE NOTHIGN TO DO WITH THE GROWTH OF THEIR KIDS ITS ALL SCHOOL. teachers teach you how to be polite. friends only exist in school. you only have playtime in school. and more reading instruction? good we need more literate kids. i have a friend who works with 2nd graders teaching them to read better, i'm sure he'd rip you apart for saying that more reading instruction produces bored kids. the kids he works with pretty much can't function cause they can't read.
you obviously think you're a very intelligent person. what started the making of your intelligence? blocks, or good reading instruction*sigh* you do realize that drug abuse is not an acceptable criteria for being placed in special education classes, don't you? If anything, the larger percentage of druggies is due to the fact that the poor kids are so depressed that they make the horrible decision to drink or smoke or snort whatever because they don't know what the hell else to do. so depressed? poor kids? don't you DARE take pity on someone who is depressed. and yes some kids do drugs out of depression. and yes schools put kids who are so burnt out they can't learn well into sped classes. but don't you EVER say "the poor kids are so depressed that they..." because being a person who has had quite the life because of it, i owe it to depression for making me really appreciate the great things life has to offer. stop talking down your nose about things. and don't take pity on us.You're partially correct: it is no longer the 18th century. It's the 21st. That said, human nature is still human nature. We still pick on people who are different than us. It's an automatic reflex, an impulse which most of us instinctively fail to control. It just happens. That's why hate crimes still exist, why we still have genocide and war and radical Arabic terrorists car bombing innocent people. It's why kids pick on other kids. It often happens without us even knowing we did anything. Point is, it happens. genocide is instinct? amazing.You don't think charging students $150 for parking to replace bathroom soap dispensers that work fine with different soap dispensers is exploitation? no its not. its just a shitty way for them to milk some money out of you, not exploit you.I would tend to say that whether or not you become more controlled as you grow up is really a matter of what you choose to do. It's obviously true up to the teenage years, beyond that it's all your choice. Obviously some people lose control of themselves the minute they get out of college. Others who may have been wild in their high school years mature a little and act responsibly. It's a matter of individuals. The only instance in which high school success creates adult success is if one manages to get a good grasp of themselves and build on that as they age. Otherwise, no, your assesment is wrong. you are wrong. people go wild in college. they lose themselves in college.Vegetarianism is unhealthy. Veegans are even worse off. Meat is good for you. Eat it. meat is also murder! vegetarianism is unhealthy if you're an idiot about it. i'm healthier than i've been in years because of it. but yes m'am i'll get on eating meat right away *salute*
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Post by Sathira on Oct 20, 2006 21:34:16 GMT -5
*blinks* wow that was brillent (i'm over tired and that was brillent)
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Post by Vulpes on Oct 21, 2006 1:32:43 GMT -5
Maybe I'm weird, but I always preferred reading to playing with my classmates, even in kindergarten. I'm also not going to get involved in this mess. I will say that Asuka's logic tends to be nearly nonexistent, though, and I agree with Billy more. There are just some things you don't know, Asuka.
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Post by Haru on Oct 21, 2006 8:09:11 GMT -5
I think I'll stay out of this too. Maybe we need to change the name of this board to "flame wars" or something....
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Post by Asuka Was Here on Oct 21, 2006 19:49:41 GMT -5
on to school. no, you cannot generalize public school systems. in stoneham, there is a general tolerance for one another no matter what your affiliation be (jock, prep, emo, thug, drama, tall short who cares?). we also are very well educated and explore the "deeper meaning of things" without being taught whatever kind of essay you were talking about.. i just know how to write an essay, not a "jock" essay or whatever. no, you don't need spirituality to be healthy. i guess how much you need spirituality depends on how weak you are on your own. if you need to grasp on to something besides yourself then you're weak. i really don't want to discuss this with you at all, i think you're just preaching and complaining a campaign that is a pipe dream. and i can't argue what i apparently don't know, because my school system has/had literally none of the issues you've brought up. that and i just got out of the e.r. this morning and i'm still kind of lost in space. but lastly i will say asuka. i really don't think you have any understanding of DIY music, because getting a lawyer and settling it in court would a) make them stoop to hottopic's level of crappiness. you're right, its not their fans job to steal the cds, but it is their choice.. and b) it goes against so many ethics and morals of punk and hardcore to settle it in court. this music is all about making music that really means something and sharing it with your friends and fans who feel the same. its not a hobby or something to pass time, to some people its their lives, its what gets them through the day, and helps them block out what is crappy with their lives. and the shows give them a place to go and let out their aggression and yell about things they care about. *sigh* Sorry I took so long to reply to this, I've been a cruddy admin and have neglected my Forums for awhile... One: yes, you can generalize public school systems, because they are governmentally run and funded, and anything associated with the government is clearly regulated to the point at which it might as well be the same. The students may differ slightly from place to place, of course, but it's generally operated similarly. I should also point out that generalizing is not absolute. There are exceptions to every generalization, stereotype, etc. But these broad generalizations exist in the first place because they're based in truth. So trying to prove that I can't generalize by offering an example of a single localized school system is a logical fallacy. Unless you've attended numerous schools in numerous districs / systems and can argue that none of them fall into my generalizations, I can't accept that. Because I know you're probably next going to jump on me and asked me if I can generalize based on knowledge of said numerous districts, I can. Apart from attending schools in three separate districts myself, I have a mother with a background in education at all levels whose worked in numerous other schools all over the place. I know how schools work. I know how student bodies work in all classes. The concept of spirituality has nothing to do with grasping onto something (it can, and for many it does, but for just as many, it doesn't). And you accuse me of generalizing unjustly? My general concept of the whole thing, in typical Asuka fashion, revolves around me. Not some abstract God in some abstract alternate dimension observing me and my general insignificant. I am neither insignifican nor greatly important. I just am. To go through life without a sense of what life is is unhealthy, as far as I see it. If you don't want to discuss such things, why bring up the issues and start a debate? At least see it through. Quitting is a total cop-out on your part. Unless, of course, you've decided that I'm right and are just trying to save face. You can't out and accuse me of preaching when you're the one who's going on about how it's immoral for a company to represent a band in its merchandise without giving them a cut of the money. Stealing isn't any more wrong than depriving children of a proper education is. The latter only creates more stupid people in the world to do stupid things like the one you're preaching against. Really, you're being quite hypocritical. Frankly, unless my pipe dream is realized, your own pipe dream is simply a waste of thought and time. Really, accomplishing it would be lovely and all, but it ain't gonna happen. Especially without legal support. On that note, I do realize that your punk/hardcore subculture is vastly against authority, establishment, phony legalities, etc. I'm sure you and those like you would not really enjoy employing such measures. However. However, and this may sound a bit trite, but it's true. We live in a country. A country has a government. Governments have established procedures for such conflicts. You cannot avoid these procedures and standards without a) packing up your essentials and moving into a hut in the woods separated from all humanity, i.e. becoming a hermit, or b) moving out of the country. No, it's not perfect. No, it may not be the best way of doing things. But 'round here, it's how things work. It can be changed over time, of course - that's the beauty of democracy - but for general purposes, you're stuck with it, like it or not. For your friends, that means that they have to choose between maintaining their pride and "values" (which seem to be centered around a two-wrongs-make-a-right policy - I do believe we abandoned that back with Hammurabi a few millenia ago, did we not?) and pursuing justice, even if it's a little different from the justice they wanted. In short, they can pursue HT in a legal, approriate manner, see that they're stopped in their illicit activities, and maybe reap a huge cash reward which they can use to put on a tour or something, or they could sit on it and shut up, which I know they won't do. So, the real other option is to continue wronging franchises to acheive some cheap self-satisfaction and eventually, in all probability, getting into trouble in the law themselves, which would be real stupidity on their part, now, wouldn't it? I understand the importance to you in maintaining your lovely anti-governmental, pro-freedom, modern-age-hippie-equivalent attitude. It's what you live around, what you cling to, how you function, just as for me, the geek-otaku-clinical wacko life is a secure tether. But at some point, if you're wronged and want something to happen to fix it, you've all got to wake up and do things the way they're done.
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Post by Asuka Was Here on Oct 21, 2006 21:13:12 GMT -5
Replying to the second post now. Because the simple length merits a double-post. Actually, I lied. I'm just going through this systematically. Your fault for replying twice before I got to throw in a few cents in reply And because I'm too lazy to pick out your stuff from mine with the way you quoted, I'll follow a similar format. Not that you'd care. yeah, exactly.. if you're passionate about it, you'll work for it, simple as that. and 400 dollars isn't cheap for a flute, i've seen plenty for far less. and yes my bands have spent in the thousands on gear, THAT WE WORKED FOR. work for what you want and it pays off, especially if you want it that bad. if you're passionate about something you'll work for it, the world isn't gonna give you things.
And pray tell, where's an inner city minority kid gonna get a job that'll pay enough? Especially if he or she is under the age of employment, and/or already working to support the family? You make it all sound so simple. Of course, the world isn't going to hand you free stuff. That would be idiotic. But some people have a much easier lot than others, and schools should be equalizing that a little bit. Except, oops, they don't have any money put into their programs. because thats what a standardized test is. INFORMATIONSo, in your opinion, is your ability to know every rule of grammar and do complex mathematical calculations the sole thing which allows you knowledge, intelligence, and to a well-rounded individual? Because I'm pretty sure back when they defined "well-rounded" in the Renaissance, the idea was that you're supposed to know a whole bunch of different things... yeah and if you know that. then i am quite sure the test correcter knows that too and it will probably drag down the students grade/appeal. teachers don't want boring, dry essays... why would they be a teacher if they wanted that?You'd be surprised. Some teachers think that dry, redundant, identical essays from every student is the equivalent of education. It goes back to poor education on the teacher's part. And plenty of people become teachers without a shred of a desire to actually teach. Some teachers land jobs at schools, never actually do anything but sit at a desk and stare at the kids, read the newspaper, and sip coffee, but they won't get fired because they have connections in the Board of Ed. and anyone who complains about them is fired instead. Corruption exists in school systems, too. hey, you like anime, and probably wish those who are (once again the magic word here..) PASSIONATE about it to pursue it further. anime is entertainment as much as football is. some make a living off anime, some make a living off of football. and once again you speak down your nose about others.
Not really. Anime, to me, is an interest. It's a strong interest, but it's not like I cause damage to myself by it, and I don't overenthuse myself with it - are you saying it's a good idea to get on a wrestling team and then become bulimic in order to make weight for every match? Is it terribly entertaining to watch a bunch of guys pile up on top of each other, break bones, concuss each other, and do it not out of any conflict, but a stupid desire to move a ball across our field - and then we should pay them millions of dollars for it? I wouldn't be against sports if they were a) purely athletic and truly sportsmanlike (read: really a team thing, all about unity and cooperation, etc. - as it stands now, that isn't true) b) not more highly valued than other professions (I've said it before, I'll say it again: or government is screwed up because we care more about watching sports and stalking celebrities than we do about running the country) and c) high-school level jocks didn't beat up people, engage in unhealthy rivalry, and didn't hurt themselves so much in the long run by trying to attain a professional career. In general, what I'm trying to say is that it's too harsh. There's too much competition, too much overenthusiasm. And, for a dose of hypocrisy, how about sports students waiving exams that they didn't study for because they were too busy playing sports? Do you think gym teachers exempt students from running a mile if they're too tired because they stayed up late studying for that same exam? I think not. I don't hate sports themselves. Physical activity is a great way to stay fit, healthy, and keep your mind in good shape. I hate the corruption and unethical behavior that surrounds them. And, if you must know, I have my own issues with otaku culture too. For example, American distributors know people will pay for anime if they like it, so they crank their DVD prices up to ridiculous prices - $30 for a single, four-episode DVD? I think not. I make a point to never, ever, ever pay MSRP or anything near it for anime. Buy it used, bid, amazon.com, whatever. Part of it's a matter of saving money and getting more bang-per-buck, part of it's a matter of me finding it unethical to milk the fans so much. It costs maybe ten cents to make the DVD and another five to make the case it comes in. Companies could sell DVDs for five or ten bucks and easily cover production costs, but they don't. I realize me, one person, doing this does nothing to deter them, but it's a personal issue. hey think of it this way, athiest. i'm sure you'll agree. spirituality/religion is not necessary to be healthy, if you can't believe in yourself above all others then you are a very weak person. most people like believing in something else because they cna't put enough faith in themselves.
I covered this in my last post. The only thing I believe in is myself. Interesting that you chose the word "faith" to refer to a person's attitude towards themselves, since you seemed to believe that faith implied spirituality. wait. you don't get in their faces about it, but if it happens you are too confrontational to bother with it. hey, welcome to hypocrisy.
There's a such thing as finishing fights but not starting them. You could probably learn something from it. 'Sides, my version of being confrontational mostly revolves around defending myself, not attacking the other dude. There's a vast difference. Perhaps confrontational is a bad word to use, then. get over yourself. queen nose talker. don't judge people for wanting to look good. cosplay is the art of costuming, and (because i want to be a thingy about this) fashion is the art of self expression.
Lovely. Have we descended to pitiful name-calling now? And pray tell, how is it self-expression when everyone who thinks they're someone is wearing the exact same thing as virtually everyone else just because a magazine told them it's "cool?" On a slightly different note, here's a fun story: two years ago at prom, two girls ended up with the same dress. They spent the whole night glaring daggers at each other. They dress looked good on both of them, no one else cared, and yet they were angry at each other all night. Maybe they thought each was infringing on the other's self expression. But it's not like one saw the other's dress and decided to copy her. So, pray tell, what's so horrible about wearing the same dress? Have you ever seen two cosplayers glare at each other for wearing the same costume? They're more liable to go over to each other, maybe chuckle at the coincidence, and converse about the series their character is from. Often they end up being friends. Unless one's a horrible jerk or something, there's unlikely to be any glaring. YOU ARE RIGHT PARENTS HAVE NOTHIGN TO DO WITH THE GROWTH OF THEIR KIDS ITS ALL SCHOOL. teachers teach you how to be polite. friends only exist in school. you only have playtime in school. and more reading instruction? good we need more literate kids. i have a friend who works with 2nd graders teaching them to read better, i'm sure he'd rip you apart for saying that more reading instruction produces bored kids. the kids he works with pretty much can't function cause they can't read.
you obviously think you're a very intelligent person. what started the making of your intelligence? blocks, or good reading instruction
PLEASE. There are massive inherent differences between a school system and home. Massive. They're not even on the same page. And what if one of the parents is abusive or a drug addict or otherwise ill-suited to be a parent? Are you implying that beating kids makes them polite and yelling at them for speaking is playtime? You act as if I'm totally opposed to reading. Reading is important. Duh. Anyone with half a wit knows that, often even people who can't read themselves. Learning basic academics is a good thing. It is not a good thing, however, when you sacrifice everythign else for their favor. Moderation. Moderation is good. Children learn naturally through play and interaction with their peers. Ask anyone who's studied child psychology or early education. Learning to count is exponentially more valuable to the child's mind if he/she does it by dividing up blocks to share with his classmates than by making meaningless marks on paper. Older students and adults can handle hours of tedious instruction (well, some of them anyway). But treating a five-year-old like an adult is about the most massive educational error you can make. Actually, good educators are more likely to agree with me than anyone else. Very few well-learned early-childhood educators would disagree with what I've said here. Your friend's students probably didn't learn to read when they were younger because they a) didn't go to school, b) are ESL, c) are learning-disabled, or d) were poorly instructed in the field as children because of the perceptions of individuals such as yourself. Or a mixture thereof. Notice that in none of those situations are they at fault. And no, the fact I do not consider myself a mindless buffoon does not mean that I hold my intelligence in any higher regard than any other person my age. But, to be frank, most of my reading activities were not well-instructed. Most of my "lecturing" consisted of me sitting in a corner by myself and teaching myself to read. The rest came from my mother, grandmother, and other family, or was otherwise inferred. so depressed? poor kids? don't you DARE take pity on someone who is depressed. and yes some kids do drugs out of depression. and yes schools put kids who are so burnt out they can't learn well into sped classes. but don't you EVER say "the poor kids are so depressed that they..." because being a person who has had quite the life because of it, i owe it to depression for making me really appreciate the great things life has to offer. stop talking down your nose about things. and don't take pity on us.
And why not? Depression, clinically speaking, is an illness of the mind. Is it so wrong to take pity on ill people? Would you be chastising me, or e-screaming, as you seem to be attempting periodically, if I said "those poor kids with AIDS, they suffer so much" or "I feel bad that we haven't been able to cure cancer yet" - or even "I'm sorry you missed coming to the party because you had a cold?" Hmmm? Oh, while you're at it, you can go ahead and yell at me for this: I'm sorry you had to go to the ER. Are you feeling better today? You can't honestly say that your life is better because you've been depressed - apart from the fact that having only one life gives you no good comparison, the entire premise of clinical depression is that a chemical inbalance in the mind causes general apathy, sadness, sometimes suicidal thoughts, fatigue, general aches, and a lack of ability to appreciate things. If you feel like you've been able to properly appreciate your life, and feel like you care about things without losing interest in them, you are not clinically depressed, or, if you are, it's mild enough not to interfere with your life. Don't think you can go around singling out a single disease because it's "different" or "better" or just because you have it and you have some personal vendetta against compassion and sympathy. People who have a particular disease have this ridiculous tendency to think that it makes them "special" or otherwise more woeful than someone else with some other disease. Either way, it's a result of self-pity. So, you're saying that you can pity yourself, but I can't sympathize? And anyone who goes around saying how much their outlook on life has improved because they got sick is simply trivializing the suffering of others. Illness is one of the few things that can be lump-summed absolutely: it causes suffering. Suffering is bad. Hence, illness is not good. Occasionally, by some freak accident, it prevents worse thing from happening you, like when they found out getting cowpox made you immune to smallpox. The fact that the cowpox victims didn't die of smallpox doesn't make their suffering any less from a physical perspective. It just means they won't suffer more. Is immunity to smallpox such a wonderful, godly thing that it erased every ounce of suffering that that individual went through during the previous infection? Because if it does, I think I'll go find a few cowpox bacteria and inject them into my bloodstream. Imagine, now that smallpox is extinct and I can't even get it, that immunity must do something even better! Maybe it'll heal all of my bruises and cover up that scar I got from that bike crash in fifth grade! DUDE! By the way, I don't pity you for being depressed, if you actually are. I pity you for being an arrogant genocide is instinct? amazing.Yup. Go read up on a few anthropological studies on the matter. no its not. its just a shitty way for them to milk some money out of you, not exploit you.Uh huh. Take a look at a dictionary. That's pretty much what exploitation is. you are wrong. people go wild in college. they lose themselves in collegeFor some, yes. This is true. Others lose themselves long before that. Other long after. Some never do. In which case it claerly illustrates the point I made before. meat is also murder! vegetarianism is unhealthy if you're an idiot about it. i'm healthier than i've been in years because of it. but yes m'am i'll get on eating meat right away *salute* And? You seem to be generally apathetic to a few other moral wrongs. So, do tell, what's so special about meat consumption that it gets into your special, elite clique of "important" moral wrongs? You have nothing against theft, for example. And, in case you hadn't noticed, a large percentage of animals live by eating other animals. Those that don't eat plants. Are the cows murdering the grass? Should we stop the wolves from hunting down those poor, innocent deer? While we're at it, let's just put a stop to the whole food chain! Nobody gets to eat anything! Then we'll all totally be healthy. -.-' By "not being stupid" about vegetarianism, I assume you're referring to supplementing your diet with assorted vitamins and minerals and such that don't exist in veggies. Which include, among other things, the fat-soluble vitamins, which are often derived from animal fat, things like cod liver oil - got news, they didn't walk up to the cod and politely ask it for its liver - and things such as calcium, which they often derive from the shells of dead oysters/clams/other shellfish. Which they killed. And fed to people. Or other animals. Not really vegetarianism anymore, now, is it? But hey, if you want to keep it up, go ahead. Not my problem. Though, it's heck of a lot easier to munch on a dead cow or a chicken leg every now and then. Which, by the way, is what our bodies exist to do. Plant matter, evolutionally speaking, was only supposed to be a supplement to our meat-based diets. And, not that you'll care much, but meat tastes good. Really, it does. A few other notes: Haru - this isn't a flame war. Not yet, at least. If it becomes one, I'll lock this thread, no questions asked. At the moment, Billy and I are just debating/pissing at each other because we have two extremely different mindsets and he seems bent on starting an arguement with somebody and/or imposing his views on other people by calling them idiots and hypocrites until they submit. Might as well be me who gets to fight back. I haven't had a good arguement in awhile. Redheaded Being - I have just this to say: Do you honestly think that I think I know everything!? Furthermore, do you honestly think the day-to-day "logic" I employ is serious in any aspect? Furthermore, why are you so quick to point out that there are things I don't know? Just because Billy's arguement more matches your own, does that mean he knows everything? Or, for that matter, do you? Please, then, do impart your infinite knowledge upon me. I would have thought you'd know me better than that, roomie. Sath - I'm cirious to know, what makes his arguement so much better than mine?
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Post by Sathira on Oct 21, 2006 22:55:11 GMT -5
Give me some time to formulate a respsonce to that that can be understood by more then just me.
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Post by compilingautumn on Oct 22, 2006 2:17:55 GMT -5
*sigh* Sorry I took so long to reply to this, I've been a cruddy admin and have neglected my Forums for awhile...
i'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're a cruddy admin because you censor your own forums. a thingy while being our "thingy" is also (in terms of slang here) synonymous with jerk, and asshole. that is the intention i had in using it.
One: yes, you can generalize public school systems, because they are governmentally run and funded, and anything associated with the government is clearly regulated to the point at which it might as well be the same. The students may differ slightly from place to place, of course, but it's generally operated similarly. I should also point out that generalizing is not absolute. There are exceptions to every generalization, stereotype, etc. But these broad generalizations exist in the first place because they're based in truth. So trying to prove that I can't generalize by offering an example of a single localized school system is a logical fallacy. Unless you've attended numerous schools in numerous districs / systems and can argue that none of them fall into my generalizations, I can't accept that.
Because I know you're probably next going to jump on me and asked me if I can generalize based on knowledge of said numerous districts, I can. Apart from attending schools in three separate districts myself, I have a mother with a background in education at all levels whose worked in numerous other schools all over the place. I know how schools work. I know how student bodies work in all classes.
you are in ct. i am in ma. no, you cannot generalize these two school systems. books are banned in states/counties, not entirely. thats not general. oh wait you know all about this. hail!
The concept of spirituality has nothing to do with grasping onto something (it can, and for many it does, but for just as many, it doesn't). And you accuse me of generalizing unjustly? My general concept of the whole thing, in typical Asuka fashion, revolves around me. Not some abstract God in some abstract alternate dimension observing me and my general insignificant. I am neither insignifican nor greatly important. I just am. To go through life without a sense of what life is is unhealthy, as far as I see it.
you just are? thats pretty boring. to go thru life with out a sense of life is is unhealthy? then tell me how you do it?
If you don't want to discuss such things, why bring up the issues and start a debate? At least see it through. Quitting is a total cop-out on your part. Unless, of course, you've decided that I'm right and are just trying to save face.
maybe i just didn't feel like it at the time, ask anyone who knows me well.. i have more mood swings than any female on their worst of.. yeah you get my point.
You can't out and accuse me of preaching when you're the one who's going on about how it's immoral for a company to represent a band in its merchandise without giving them a cut of the money. Stealing isn't any more wrong than depriving children of a proper education is. The latter only creates more stupid people in the world to do stupid things like the one you're preaching against. Really, you're being quite hypocritical. Frankly, unless my pipe dream is realized, your own pipe dream is simply a waste of thought and time. Really, accomplishing it would be lovely and all, but it ain't gonna happen.
actually i wouldn't say that the people behind hot topic are stupid, if they can get away with making this money and running a successful chain of "punk", "goth", and "alternative" clothing stores, then they're obviously smart. assholes, but smart. hypocrisy claim = null and void
Especially without legal support.
get a clue
On that note, I do realize that your punk/hardcore subculture is vastly against authority, establishment, phony legalities, etc. I'm sure you and those like you would not really enjoy employing such measures. However.
However, and this may sound a bit trite, but it's true. We live in a country. A country has a government. Governments have established procedures for such conflicts. You cannot avoid these procedures and standards without a) packing up your essentials and moving into a hut in the woods separated from all humanity, i.e. becoming a hermit, or b) moving out of the country. No, it's not perfect. No, it may not be the best way of doing things. But 'round here, it's how things work. It can be changed over time, of course - that's the beauty of democracy - but for general purposes, you're stuck with it, like it or not.
For your friends, that means that they have to choose between maintaining their pride and "values" (which seem to be centered around a two-wrongs-make-a-right policy - I do believe we abandoned that back with Hammurabi a few millenia ago, did we not?) and pursuing justice, even if it's a little different from the justice they wanted. In short, they can pursue HT in a legal, approriate manner, see that they're stopped in their illicit activities, and maybe reap a huge cash reward which they can use to put on a tour or something, or they could sit on it and shut up, which I know they won't do. So, the real other option is to continue wronging franchises to acheive some cheap self-satisfaction and eventually, in all probability, getting into trouble in the law themselves, which would be real stupidity on their part, now, wouldn't it?
I understand the importance to you in maintaining your lovely anti-governmental, pro-freedom, modern-age-hippie-equivalent attitude. It's what you live around, what you cling to, how you function, just as for me, the geek-otaku-clinical wacko life is a secure tether. But at some point, if you're wronged and want something to happen to fix it, you've all got to wake up and do things the way they're done.
once again, get a clue. i'm not a friggin' anarchist. its a matter of respect. you really make me very sad, i don't believe you have even the slightest understanding of the point i'm trying to make about this. the way you express your opinion tells me ALOT more about you then i bet you'd like to have me know. and makes this all the more sad.
really, this is not a cop out.. but i STRONGLY suggest you drop this part of the arguement, in more than my eyes you are just digging yourself a hole because you are so ignorant to what is behind all of it. it really is not worth it to argue about the morals of this with you because you are not involved. you have no clue.
you've made the most incorrect, and offensive stereotype of myself and the music i'm involved in. its extremely laughable, and horrendously sad.
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Post by compilingautumn on Oct 22, 2006 3:06:10 GMT -5
this bugged me more than anything in this entire thread, aside from probably my previous post.
And why not? Depression, clinically speaking, is an illness of the mind. Is it so wrong to take pity on ill people? Would you be chastising me, or e-screaming, as you seem to be attempting periodically, if I said "those poor kids with AIDS, they suffer so much" or "I feel bad that we haven't been able to cure cancer yet" - or even "I'm sorry you missed coming to the party because you had a cold?" Hmmm?
i think everyone with a little bit of experience or who knows someone with experience, can tell you that depression is a bit unique in respects to being "ill". p.s. your sarcasm is weak as hell.
Oh, while you're at it, you can go ahead and yell at me for this: I'm sorry you had to go to the ER. Are you feeling better today?
i'll humor you. yes i am. though i did spend almost a week often: not knowing who i was, not being sure if i really was where i happened to be, second guessing everything that happened, missing every other second so to say, and ending up places and not knowing how i got there. funny thing is, they don't know if it was drugs, psychosis/delerium, or possibly diabetes (i don't have it, but it runs in my family).
You can't honestly say that your life is better because you've been depressed - apart from the fact that having only one life gives you no good comparison, the entire premise of clinical depression is that a chemical inbalance in the mind causes general apathy, sadness, sometimes suicidal thoughts, fatigue, general aches, and a lack of ability to appreciate things. If you feel like you've been able to properly appreciate your life, and feel like you care about things without losing interest in them, you are not clinically depressed, or, if you are, it's mild enough not to interfere with your life.
where did i say my life was better? please point it out. i do recall saying, however, that i've learned to appreciate the great things life has to offer. think of it like this, if you lived on a planet where it was always cloudy and then a couple days a year the sun shone through the clouds, i'm sure you'd appreciate the sun alot more. thats obviously a very intense analogy, but i want to make sure you don't misinterpret my words again.
Don't think you can go around singling out a single disease because it's "different" or "better" or just because you have it and you have some personal vendetta against compassion and sympathy.
i never singled it out.
People who have a particular disease have this ridiculous tendency to think that it makes them "special" or otherwise more woeful than someone else with some other disease.
not i, said the owl.
Either way, it's a result of self-pity. So, you're saying that you can pity yourself, but I can't sympathize? And anyone who goes around saying how much their outlook on life has improved because they got sick is simply trivializing the suffering of others.
once again, i never said my outlook on life has improved. i just can appreciate when things are going well for me/great moments/great things
Illness is one of the few things that can be lump-summed absolutely: it causes suffering. Suffering is bad. Hence, illness is not good. Occasionally, by some freak accident, it prevents worse thing from happening you, like when they found out getting cowpox made you immune to smallpox. The fact that the cowpox victims didn't die of smallpox doesn't make their suffering any less from a physical perspective. It just means they won't suffer more. Is immunity to smallpox such a wonderful, godly thing that it erased every ounce of suffering that that individual went through during the previous infection? Because if it does, I think I'll go find a few cowpox bacteria and inject them into my bloodstream. Imagine, now that smallpox is extinct and I can't even get it, that immunity must do something even better! Maybe it'll heal all of my bruises and cover up that scar I got from that bike crash in fifth grade! DUDE!
By the way, I don't pity you for being depressed, if you actually are. I pity you for being an arrogant
you interpreted what i said terribly. if i were in a bad mood i would have jumped down your throat about this. but i'll forgive you for being ignorant to what its like i also noticed you argue with a jock mentality. on dragging Redheaded Being and sath into this: i can call the WAAAAAAAHHHHmbulance if you need me to
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Post by Vulpes on Oct 24, 2006 0:41:55 GMT -5
No one knows everything. And I won't say more than that; it hits a bit too close to home. Depression isn't a joke. Those who must know why I feel so strongly about it do.
Remember the moonlight, Sath?
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Post by Sathira on Oct 24, 2006 22:21:02 GMT -5
Yes I remember.. well I remember what I can and all too well, which isnt too much cause I was pretty f**ked up at the time.
Depression is no joke, and people who think that piss me off. Its not something to be taken lightly but people joke about it like its nothing.
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